The New Covenant Of Grace

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I was raised Pentecostal, in the Wesleyan Holiness Tradition that believed in Christian Perfection. Its not official, but the official motto of the Assembly of God goes something like this: "Saved by Grace, kept by works." I heard a lot about "the victorious Christian life" while seeing little evidence. I went thru Bible College before stumbling upon Luther, Calvin, and the Church Fathers. Although i can take or leave Calvin, I was very impressed with Luther, despite the fact he had more than just feet of clay. It was around this time that I ran into a publication call Modern Reformation Magazine, which introduced me to a Reformed pastor by the name of Mike Horton.

I'm convinced that I am still a Christian due to how these people preached the Scriptural doctrine of grace. It lifted the yoke of doom & gloom, although it did not make life any easier. Actually, if it was possible, it complicated my life even more -- i proceeded to be fired from just about every youth pastor position i was in, my family thinks i am a screaming liberal, my liberal friends here in Massachusetts think i am a bit right of Attila the Hun, and i am never entirely welcome in both camps.

But this grace set me free, and i have no plans to abandon something so precious.

Great post!
I'm learning a lot from Mike Horton right now. His books have some very eye-opening and relevant truths that pertain to Christianity and the culture in which we live today ... and it is clear that he knows the grace of God. Thank you for the comment and I'm glad you can relate! I'll take the heat of the battle of grace any day over the problem of not knowing it.
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I've never really understood this "[this is good]" option so I'll click it and then say it as well: Great Post! I don't agree with everything you've said (because I'm a pedantic, argumentative...) but your description of sin is very close to the heart of the matter and, I think, accurate. Bill Hybels has a great story to explain what grace is in relation to mercy and justice in his book "The God You're Looking For". I suppose grace is the lavish outpouring of love on the undeserving.

I'm really interested to hear of your experiences in Eastern Europe!

@Christianity in the Raw: I'm reading Wesley's biography by Heitzenrater and ole JW was real big and explicit on Christian Perfection. It's like the only point of his theology I can't follow.

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Thank you for your excellent post. You describe the life of Christian joy that I have experienced for many years. I struggle with impatience when I run into people who are enamoured with systematic theology or it's opposite. I do not find myself wholly in agreement with either of the categories we are all supposed to fit in.

I believe in the power or the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth through the inspired Word of God. It sounds to me as though that is what He has done in your life. When you really know Him, you really know Him and it will bring forth fruit in both works and words.

Marc, I love a good argument because I tend to learn a lot in that setting. I am a pedantic too, but only with some things, such as those that might pertain to (my understanding of) standards of truth. And then it's all about humanly applying it and relating to others. Well, at least that's how I like to think I function.

I sort of blurted out my experience in child-like terms without thinking too much about fundamental doctrine, but I would love to know how I might have erred in terms. There are quite a few things I still do not understand about the new covenant, one of them being why I didn't experience it upon initial salvation, and another is, why so many Christians have an issue with it (besides the fact I could probably explain it better), etc.
Yes! I'm finding that the subject of the Holy Spirit can be a real faux pas in some conversations with Christians, or I am instantly labeled Pentecostal or liberal when speaking about emotions. My only comfort in some cases is the Holy Spirit Himself :) I have to admit, however, that it can be a real challenge to associate the Spirit, who is like the wind, and absolute truth. Like the new covenant, the paradox doesn't make explaining it any easier.

The truth has been revealed to us in the inspired Word of God. The Holy Spirit guides us in understanding and applying it to our lives. It is not really unusual that it took some years for you to come to the point where you are now and probably will take more years as the Lord builds on that knowledge.

Have you ever noticed the long span of time from when the Lord started revealing his plan to people in the Bible until He actually brought it about? Joseph, Moses, Abraham, etc. We are ever in a hurry to figure it all out, but when we seek His truth, He will build on it and bless us in the process.

The fact that you can't really explain how God has worked in your life is because He is still working and someone else who is not at the same place probably won't completely understand. If they are believers and truly want to know the truth, God will bring them where He wants them to be also - in His time.

Thank you for the insight and encouragement :)
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The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life had a profound impact on my wife and I when we first read it years and years ago. Primarily the thought that with God there are no "second causes," which means that with Him there is no "plan B." It's all Plan A because he "causes" it to be Plan A.

I applaud your passion and insight, my friend. Be blessed.
I am a practicing Roman Catholic, so my viewpoint, opinions, & beliefs differ from yours from somewhat to greatly, depending upong the subject. I find your blogs interesting & thought provoking, your honesty in publicly discussing your issues of the heart & soul refreshing, & your search for growth & understanding courageous. I wish you peace in the New Year.

Hi Elisabeth,

Perhaps I'm just reading too much into your words "surrender...any trust in ourselves". There are those who hold to Total Depravity in unbelievers and then, even in believers, consider everything "of ourselves" to be "fleshy" and unacceptable to God. I'm sure you don't mean this though because my counter argument (Common Grace) is something you are affirming.

My understanding of humans is not that they are mud pies which God will make into mirrors but that we are dusty, smudged, cracked, even broken mirrors being pieced together to fully reflect God's glory. I'm sure this departs from Protestant theology (who cares, the opposite of Protestantism is NOT Catholicism or heresy) but I see (in scripture, by reason and experience) that there is indeed goodness in EVERY person and badness in EVERY person.

I can of course affirm that all good comes from God and our good acts stem from Him and are, whether consciously or unconsciously, obedience to His will. I just wouldn't say that when we do good it is not us but rather God in us: it is both (a synergy) because we were made in His image to work His will (Eph 2:10) and not just, puppet-like, embody His works.

As post-Reformation Christians we have been taught to be wary of anything which sounds like self-righteousness and "good works" have often wrongly been cast into this category. I don't think that that is what Paul was fighting in Romans and Galatians as my post indicates and I wish to explore.

Marc

R.G., thank you for your comment and message. It seems that we've been blessed with a similar experience which would explain my appreciation for the "liberating" aspect of your writing. I am looking forward to reading more from your side of town, especially in hopes of gaining some answers to my overdose of questions regarding this grace. Also, your book sounds highly interesting.
Peace to you as well Yosemite! One of my favorite authors, G.K. Chesterton, was loyal to the RCC and had good arguments for it. Although debating and differences can create a minefield, I am learning that I can gain much insight from differing beliefs and opinions so I hope that you will venture to share them here at my blog if you have any inclination. ~ Elizabeth
Thank you for helping me figure out how to communicate this new covenant of grace Marc. Your posts have shown me the other (beautiful) side of it, which is that we should fully remain our unique selves as Christians. You have also opened my eyes to the wonder of the vessels that God uses. His grace certainly does not annihilate us, but causes us to become more ourselves than what is otherwise possible.

From mudpies to mirrors... now that is an interesting concept! I think this has been my underlying problem with Christianity. It is often portrayed as a disconnected religion from real life, while the message of the Bible is the reality of life itself. It's true that my head was in the clouds (in the wrong sense) when I learned about the new covenant, but I needed to learn about the fulness of grace before I could function as a real person in the real world. Sigh... again this seems impossible to explain! At least the Apostle Paul had the same dilemma while placing so much emphasis on grace.

Although it appears as though I support Total Depravity and also the Perseverance of the Saints, two points of Calvinism, I can not agree that they rightly explain the "whole counsel of God" nor God's grace as I understand it. Armenianism and Calvinism still inevitably lead to legalism, or a kind of cold and stiff understanding of God and His people.

I am glad that there is much preaching against self-righteousness but, at least here in America, us Christians, even liberal ones, are still extremely and blindly prone to it, in which the freedom and power of grace is the only answer.

Good works are vital but God's grace causes them to be a natural by-product in our lives. So, His grace comes first and then we have the freedom to respond in our human form. Both are completely necessary. I think we agree on that, but communication sure can make it an adventure. :)
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If you haven't already read it, What's So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancey is worth one's while. Reading that book was my 'ah-ha!' moment and I have it every time I read it.

[Side note: I've heard definitions of grace and mercy explained (in part) this way: grace is getting what we don't deserve while mercy is not getting what we do deserve. Take from it what you will!]

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